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PopAlongKid 1 days ago [-]
(2017)
>Dismissed by some as Monopoly or plastic money, the new £5 and £10 notes in particular have come in for heavy criticism.
IAmBroom 1 days ago [-]
This interesting history lesson makes me wonder: Has there ever been a (not-thoroughly corrupt and dictatorial) government that literally printed money to solve their problems?
It's a common metaphor, but it's just a simpleminded metaphor. The US Treasury printing has literally nothing to do with inflation (if it's printing adequate amounts of replacement bills). No US government account is paid with fresh bills, hot from the Treasury presses. Those unwrinkled notes are sent to replace damaged bills returned from banks at a strict 1:1 rate.
Instead, money is created by issuing bonds (via the interest paid). The possibility of creating inflation is still present, but no printing presses are involved (Treasury nor otherwise).
throwaway676712 17 hours ago [-]
Premodern states would do this all the time. A ruler would find themselves strapped on cash, debase the (metal content based) currency, people slowly find out, raise their prices, rinse and repeat. Gresham's law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law) states that when 'pure' and 'impure' coins are both in circulation, the impure currency takes over.
recursivecaveat 18 hours ago [-]
In medieval Europe they would do "recoinage". They would declare all the old coinage no longer legal tender (also outlaw hoarding and transacting with it or foreign currency). The mint would take all your old coins off your hands and give you back 75% as many new coins.
DarkNova6 1 days ago [-]
You could argue the Romans tried to by debasing their coins with inferior minerals to mint more of them at lower costs.
krupan 1 days ago [-]
I mean, once a government starts literally printing money to solve their problems are they not then thoroughly corrupt and dictatorial? You kinda qualified your question into pointlessness ;)
Also, the exact process by which governments create money out of nothing (directly printing it, issuing bonds, changing the materials used for coins, changing numbers in a database, etc.) doesn't really matter, does it?
d4ng 8 hours ago [-]
Why does interest on bonds need to be paid by printing money? Can’t it be paid from tax revenue?
IAmBroom 2 hours ago [-]
Certainly, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
My point is: The printing of physical (fiat) bills are completely independent of increasing monetary supply. Always true in the US; probably always true in most instances.
gwbas1c 1 days ago [-]
Ray Dalio explains this history in his books "How Countries Go Broke" and "Big Debt Crises".
His theory is that governments have a debt cycle, and printing money is just one point in that cycle.
IAmBroom 8 hours ago [-]
You're just parroting the phrase "printing money". I'm asking if governments ever literally do (except in extremely defective examples).
gwbas1c 1 hours ago [-]
Yes, they do.
The first part of "Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith gives many historical examples.
And in Ray Dalio's book, he explains how the US government did it in the past, and will need to do it again in the future.
pelasaco 1 days ago [-]
The most famous historical example is Weimar Germany in 1923. To pay off massive World War I debts and striking workers, the government simply printed more money. Another classic example is Zimbabwe in 2008...
>Dismissed by some as Monopoly or plastic money, the new £5 and £10 notes in particular have come in for heavy criticism.
It's a common metaphor, but it's just a simpleminded metaphor. The US Treasury printing has literally nothing to do with inflation (if it's printing adequate amounts of replacement bills). No US government account is paid with fresh bills, hot from the Treasury presses. Those unwrinkled notes are sent to replace damaged bills returned from banks at a strict 1:1 rate.
Instead, money is created by issuing bonds (via the interest paid). The possibility of creating inflation is still present, but no printing presses are involved (Treasury nor otherwise).
Also, the exact process by which governments create money out of nothing (directly printing it, issuing bonds, changing the materials used for coins, changing numbers in a database, etc.) doesn't really matter, does it?
My point is: The printing of physical (fiat) bills are completely independent of increasing monetary supply. Always true in the US; probably always true in most instances.
His theory is that governments have a debt cycle, and printing money is just one point in that cycle.
The first part of "Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith gives many historical examples.
And in Ray Dalio's book, he explains how the US government did it in the past, and will need to do it again in the future.